My husband and I are moving to the United States from Holland this winter. We originally were looking at Texas (San Antonio/Austin), but the state government seems to be problematic when it comes to reproductive health and LGBT rights. What are some good cities in more progressive states that are affordable yet we don’t have to worry about the state gov passing such conservative views. All of Europe is much more progressive, and we want to stay away from conservative states generally.

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Look at Northern CA, Oregon (not Portland), Seattle, and Vermont.
The city I recommend the most is Minneapolis, MN. Specifically in Idina. You want to stay further away from the city there because it's dangerous. Idina is gorgeous - beautiful homes, affordable housing market, and great people/jobs.

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I think Nevada is risky. Basically anywhere with drought that isn’t near a large body of water risks water restrictions and definitely insane power bills.

Coming from Dutch weather, the PNW isn’t a bad option. Seattle area, for example.

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Chicago would probably be the closest fit for your criteria from a COL perspective. Denver is getting more expensive but is certainly progressive (and beautiful).

Beyond that COL is pretty high in the most progressive parts of the country.

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If you get away from Denver metro area real estate is more affordable with the exception of Aspen, Vale, Beaver Creek and a few other resort areas. I suspect it's all a matter of preference. Recreational activities, hobbies, and if you're still working or retired. If you're tired of water,windmills, and tulips the high plains desert takes up roughly half the state

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All of Europe is more progressive? Are you aware of the balkans, Eastern Europe, or russia?

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Try Holland, Michigan

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If you’re coming from Holland stay away from the red states. Seriously. The majority of people there will not share your values and you will experience a major culture shock.

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I live in Montreal, Canada, and I'll honestly say that I've never seen poverty or affluence (the two extremes) like it exists in the USA. Be prepared for the culture shock.

I would not want to live there. I turned down a $185k job offer because it would have required me to spend 25% of my time in LA.

I do enjoy visiting (with extra travel health insurance), and am particularly a fan of upper New York and Vermont.

But too many guns, cars, and not enough spent in public health care, education, and other social services. Would not move my family there.

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There were. There are not anymore.

Which is not to say that we don't have problems with poverty and homing people, we do. Gentrification and more recently foreign investment in Montreal real estate, has caused major problems with affordability of housing, and the remote work exodus of COVID caused housing prices to go up in the areas surrounding Montreal as well. It's a serious problem that we are working to address.

That doesn't change the fact that the USA has a significantly greater disproportionate distribution of wealth than here. That the USA has far more (per capita) people living at or below the poverty line and more people with obscene levels of wealth (in fact, y'all have the most billionaires in the world, and frankly, billionaires shouldn't exist).

The USA has a Gini Index of 41.5. Canada has one of 33.3 (lower is better), and for the sake of the OP, most of the countries in the bottom 10 are in Europe. The Netherlands is 28.1.

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Sadly, you gotta pick between expensive & high tax or socially conservative. Not a lot of places that are cheap + no state taxes but also socially liberal.

Also: the socially conservative thing is overhyped. Austin isn’t turning into some dystopia (unless you really care about having abortions, personally)

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That’s when I get my all over tan out on my deck 🤙

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Move to NY, you won’t have to worry of any conservative ever winning there.

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Not Ulster County! 🔵

Seattle is de Amsterdam van Amerika. Alleen je hebt ontzettend veel zwervers en publieke voorzieningen zijn matig vergeleken met Nederland (maar dit is US-wide)

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North of Seattle is Skagit Valley, where more tulips and tulip bulbs are supposedly grown than in Holland. The tulip festival and fields are a big thing there every April.

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Maybe try Canada.

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Austin, TX is actually not conservative when compared to the state of Texas. But if you truly want both a non-conservative city and state, then northeast coast or most of California would be your best bet

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Agreed! I moved to Austin from Canada and tbvh, I think some neighborhoods here are more liberal and feel safer than where I lived in downtown Toronto.

If you can stand the heat, I would 100% recommend checking out Austin in person before making a decision. People are friendly, it's a young crowd, and the food here is awesome.

I would think New England - Rhode Island is often overlooked, and southern CT is great if you don’t mind some traffic.

We live in Raleigh, North Carolina - one of the fastest growing cities and in the Top 10 for all kinds of lists for quality of life, outdoors activity, food scene, etc. We have been very happy living here for 20+ years after being in CT.

The one issue is that North Carolina is purple (politically) from a population perspective (really about 50/50), but the Governor is the only person keeping the Assembly from passing conservative policies. That is the risk here - if the Governor’s mansion were to be occupied by a Republican, we would likely have to move north.

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Michigan laws can be a bit problematic but you will find like minded people in sweet, comfortable little towns like fennville. If you prefer a more metropolitan vibe, Ann Arbor or Ferndale are wonderful.

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I was just thinking of Ann Arbor too. Traffic can be bad with the University right there but it’s a fun area. Also weed is legal here 🙌🙌

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Central New Jersey. Kinda pricey compared to the south but cheaper than north jersey. Someone else said Princeton, towns around there are nice and diverse like east brunswick pistcaway you’ll be far enough from the college campus but still close to fun places like jersey city Hoboken and NYC

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But it’s where the football stadium and basketball stadiums are which means you are in for a mess of traffic most Saturdays in the fall and through the winter.

Consider the suburbs of Philadelphia. I love my proximity to so many things both in and out of the Philly area. I actually live in South Jersey and really enjoy it. Beautiful area with lots of trees. I would say there is a mix of political views but most people lean more left.

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Try New Amsterdam. They changed the name a few years ago though

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Why do you need to move to America?

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This guy asking the real questions

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If you’re open to other countries, I would suggest Canada 🙂
As an immigrant that was also considering the US, I’m so glad I chose Canada instead

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Check out Virginia. I just moved to Richmond. Its a low cost of living area. Two hours from DC, generally has everything you need, and while in the past it used to be more conservative (this was the capital of the confederacy) all the statues are gone and it is slowly becoming more progressive.

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PM1, I have been here for a while and honestly I feel like I met more Maggats in Chicago than in Richmond

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Burlington VT, is extremely progressive and beautiful, the state is progressive but that town/city is a great example of it. (Bernie Sanders is from there) However if winter isn’t your thing then it’s gonna be tougher to find a progressive town like that in a warm climate. I’m sure they’re out there but I haven’t been.

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Liberals & Social Democrats* are seeking shelter from the zombie hordes where it’s too cold for their aging bones. 🤷

Milwaukee has amazing suburbs and schools. It’s really underrated. Not sure if you want to live in a city. Then I would recommend Chicago. But if you want an in between. Others areas with a city to consider are Denver, Nashville, Raleigh/Durham, Charleston/Mount Pleasant in SC.

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VP1, I lived in Charleston for a year and it’s actually more liberal than you think. And there aren’t any specific laws in SC that are geared towards homophobia or racism. Discrimination exists, sure, but you can find that in any city or state if you look hard enough. And if there are policies that I am not aware of, feel free to leave a link.

Cost of living is rising everywhere, OP.

Washington can be challenging to find affordable good housing in, but is wonderful. Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine/Massachusetts can be a little more affordable, but also colder and the more affordable you get the further from major airports you are (always a significant drawback).

I ended up living about 90 minutes from Sea-Tac, and I love it, but that commute for any business travel is pretty onerous.

Nobody will recommend moving to California for affordable living, but tbh at a similar distance from SFO, you can find places that are yet a decent deal — you just won’t be living right in a major urban area.

There are a lot of reasons I’d recommend you still go to Texas, honestly — experiencing the worst of America lets you appreciate the better parts in comparison. And Austin really isn’t even close to the worst (though everything around Austin might be).

But the core reason people like you should move to Texas is to vote. 🤙🤙

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