Anybody been coached out this summer? I had a bad year, though my work was great and utilization high, I wasn’t “managing” the engagement well enough... so got held back. $0 raise, $0 bonus.

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You need to give us more to the story OP. Be specific. How did you have a bad year if your work was great? Did you make significant mistakes? Did you make your higher ups wait for you, or have to chase you down, or scared they wouldn’t make deadlines? If so, and it was a partner level, I’m surprised you weren’t canned anyway. It sounds like you pissed them off and they want to show you that because they don’t think you understand. They expect too much sometimes, and suddenly seem to forget how tough it can be before moving up the ladder. If there are things that they don’t know detail those and communicate them again in person. You can at least start to make your situation better by both sides getting a better understanding

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I mean I’m not against you SAA. Just trying to tell you what they’re thinking. From the details you’ve given me, I’d say you’re doing pretty good with what you were given. Maybe you’re not fitting in, or maybe that manager doesn’t like you and whatever you do is bad and that’s what the partner is hearing. Defend yourself, and arm yourself with evidence of all you were put up against and tell that to the partner in a one on one. Copying the partner would help you with any mistranslation . Email the crap out of everybody and ask for status updates as soon as they tell you to and copy all those people.

Or just say screw it and move on. Sometimes it’s impossible to come back from this kind of stuff, and not even worth it. These firms burn people out and don’t even appreciate it, don’t give you the resources, and still expect 100%. You worked your ass off and this is what they have to thank you with.

I think you need to decide whether you can put the whole episode behind you, as in, learn from it what you can, define concrete and actionable steps you can take to improve and then keep working on it. If you plan to stay then i recommend changing your mindset asap otherwise the resentment will build because you know you’ve been done-in and are not appreciated.

Personally I would say you should go. The reality is that it is hard to let go of the resentment, to get over the realisation that you’re busting your ass with no recognition from others of just what you do and contribute. Even more galling that those who do nothing but keep TALKING how hard they supposedly work get promoted.

Only you can decide the best course of action, but if you decide to stay, you’re going to have to find a way to put the past behind you. Good luck to you.

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Thanks for that, I appreciate you’re take on it all and I agree with you.

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So I worked my ass off on another out of town job and the manager actually reached out to my coach to tell them how great I’ve been doing. Apparently this is the only reason I wasn’t let go according to the partner in our meeting. Makes me realize the firm had given up on me and if it weren’t for that manager going out of their way to share feedback with my coach I would have been terminated. Makes me realize there is no loyalty to employees who are trying, even with the staff shortage, especially at the senior level.

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Had this happen to me at my old firm. I left and went big 4, even got a 20% salary increase

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Sorry to hear that OP. PIP incoming!

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GT

Make sure you put in your two weeks the Monday before you start your first busy season client. It makes them spend the money they thought they saved by not paying you.

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And if your mind is made up on leaving, scale back on trying to prove yourself. Start focusing on the next step.

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the excuses are irrelevant. if the people you work for don’t like you, don’t see you as being enough like them to follow their progression, they’re gonna come up with a reason to rate you a 4 and tell you to leave. this is just how our job is.

i’m watching it even happen to a colleague after her second year as manager right now.

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GT sounds like a horrible place to work at. They fire people and then panic when they don’t have enough people? I would take the Big 3 any day of the week over GT.

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Who just liked this?

What firm

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How did they justify their feedback that you were not "managing" the engagement?

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End of the engagement I was told I didn’t have enough status meetings and the manager had to do too much work supervising. Meanwhile I lost 2 staff on that job and was busy busting out original work for complex sections with PAJEs galore on top of keeping track of status. It was tough but I felt like I did the best I could with extremely little staff and little involvement from manager. Then surprised at end of engagement with doesn’t meet expectations. Other jobs were justifiable that I didn’t step up in the role but at least two were just shit shows I barely had time to keep track of my own work.

Your story doesnt sum up... you said you had a great year... so please tell us if you were requesting snapshots on regular basis and the feedback was reflected there ? Secondly, when is economics responsibility with senior ? Its manager who manages and are responsible towards it. Lastly, u raised a point about loyalty.. agree on that with you but thats applicable to any corporate entity

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This is not nice if your partner agreed to that. Regardless, if I was you.. I had be looking out ASAp. 0 percent raise and bonus.. sorry.. u r in tight spot now

Did the team meet the deadline for reporting? If you were doing great work they should have at least considered that in your rating. Also, how big was your team and were you the lead senior?

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Always met deadlines, usually days early. And yes, lead senior. Teams ranged from 1-4 associates.

If you’re interested in flipping firms that could be a good decision right now as I’m sure you could play it into S3

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You should consider moving.

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Moving to where? I haven’t burned bridges so much that i wouldn’t be able to find a job in this city or anything. Lol

was in the same situation op. took a job for a 30% raise and less hours.

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Audit?

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Is this more common at the senior level than associate level?

Senior level is where most people are fired, coached out, put on PIP. They don’t make anyone manager they don’t believe in and fully trust. Associates are just grunts.

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