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No. You shouldn’t infer anything about people not listing their pronouns. While pronouns are important to people, my opinion is that for most it’s political. For that reason, I keep it out of my day to day. You can easily show support without broadcasting.
I am a proud and out gay man in all aspects of my life and don’t see this as homophobic or self hating. I see it more as identity politics which, in my opinion, should not be completely integrated into my gay identity.
I include pronouns on my business cards as a signal to others it’s OK to be themselves with me if they choose to, which is obviously easier for some vs others. For example, after handing one of my cards to a fellow motorcycling club member, who is cisgender, he asked why I included the pronouns, which he hadn’t seen before. This caught the attention of another member, who happened to be trans. She jumped right into the conversation, excitedly, to explain how it both encouraged conversations like the one we had started, raising awareness, but also that it made members like her know she had an another ally in the club, which she had not realized until then. Kind of like the small magnets with a green circle around a pink triangle some of us used to put up in our workspaces to let fellow employees, closeted or not, know that they were in a safe space.
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Classic example of a woke exercise that was enacted without wide discussion of its potential implications and actively harmful to many trans people.
This should never be a mandatory thing and never even a widespread thing. It creates either pressure to come out or to lie (if one is not ready to come out).
I don’t put pronouns in my signature to stand in solidarity with trans members of the community who are not ready to come out.
Imagine if instead of pronouns, one had to list sexual orientation for all to see and look up. This forces people to either come out or to actively lie.
It flies against everything we know about how to let people come out in their own time. When they’re ready and feel safe.
That’s where the effort in workplaces should be: making everyone feel welcome and safe to be who they are. Instead of a virtue signaling exercise that becomes something that is checked off by the higher ups that they’re the “good guys” without doing any actual work.
PwC1: so if you don’t list pronouns because you are closeted, what pronouns do people assume for you? Wouldn’t being closeted lead you to list those?
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I’m a gay cisgender male who absolutely would never put his/him after my name. It looks silly. And I’m certainly not homo/trans phobic. My partner does it (also gay cisgender male) and I’m like: what is wrong with you…
So was John Wayne.
I’m openly gay and don’t list my pronouns.
Openly gay male, and I list mine on my email and in my Zoom. I don’t judge those that don’t have theirs listed. I prefer to have mine list as a way to show support and provide a safe space for those who haven’t listed theirs for whatever reason.
I list mine - I’m bi (cisgender) but want to be inclusive and have a sibling who is trans. My firm doesn’t care, though there is one asshole who is lgbt and openly told me they don’t get pronouns.
I hope people understand this. I don’t mind other people using pronouns in a public way. I genuinely respect the choices people make. But uncomfortable doing so because I feel it comes off as some kind of virtue signaling. I’ve hired trans employees because they were good at the job. They’re friends because I like spending time with them. I support people by my actions. People who use pronouns do too. It’s just not my nature to have to demonstrate it.
Not sure I understand your question of me but what I'm trying to point out is that virtue signaling is a positive in my book.
Most everyone in my company uses the gender pronouns. My assumption if they don't do it is they don't follow directions (they typically don't have the correct email signature either) or just aren't supportive. It's few and far between though.
I don’t. Everyone has a different journey and where I work it isn’t mandatory. If people chose not to include their pronouns, it’s fine with me. Their choice.
I don’t include my pronouns in my company directory because I don’t want people to make inherent assumptions about me based on my gender. I get more opportunities if people don’t know my gender. But I have donated and raised funds for someone’s transition. My closest paternal cousin is trans fem, my closest elementary school friend is trans, and someone I dated was nonbinary. I fully support, date, and love people in the trans and nonbinary communities but for jobs I am at a professional disadvantage when people make assumptions about my own personal gender.
I am not sure if people think my name is gender neutral. I can’t speak for others’ opinions of me, all I can do is keep my name just a small aspect on a piece of paper, and the rest on that paper do the talking.
I actually really like that you brought this up. I have actually had someone ask me why I put my pronouns in my email signature. when I told them it was to support non-cisgendered people feel more comfortable, it was met with an “oh whatever” vibe. And said person did not start including pronouns in their signature so I kinda wondered the same thing.
They don't think exactly the same as you, at least. I don't normally do it because it's not standard practice in my team but that's just me. I guess it's complicated.
Pronouns are only necessary for those who wish to ensure clarity of their own pronouns. For everyone else they really don't matter. Respect is the key on both sides.
In my induction I always say that if people have a preference about their name they need to make it known.
I don't see how it's helpful to list anyone's pronouns unless they want to do so. Generally if someone wants their pronouns to be known they'll tell you and aren't offended by you asking.
I would think people who don’t list their pronouns just default to traditional pronouns.
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