When and how do you push back on people senior to you? Fifth year dealing with supersenior associate (11th year) who completely lacks good judgment & common sense. One of those super smart but impractical types. As just one example, he recently called me to tell me to call someone who’s on vacation and ask them to send a calendar invite. I offered to send myself but apparently that wouldn’t work (presumably because it would be efficient & make sense.) At what point (and how) do I Just Say No?

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Next time don’t offer, just do it. As a 5th year you also know enough. Especially for things like this. You could also talk to a supervising partner, or just start taking on more tasks yourself.

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Thanks – I work really hard to protect the people who work with me so this really didn’t sit right. I essentially said I would just send it out, he pushed back, and basically indicated that if the person on vacation didn’t send it then they would consider it their fault, not mine, because it’s their responsibility. Knowing the person on vacation, I knew she would rather just send out the invite then be blamed for not doing it. In part, because the senior, who apparently has nothing else to do, would have sent multiple follow-ups saying that they don’t understand why I sent it instead of the other person, then another follow up asking whether we should transfer the calendar into the other persons name, and on and on. Literally no reason why it matters except that they’re the person who typically sends out calendars and the senior has zero judgment. It’s completely absurd. The whole thing was completely unnecessary. I do think I’m going to have a word with the partner.

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If he wants the invite to come from one person for whatever reason email a legal admin and cc the person on vacation and ask the admin to send the invite on behalf of the person on vacation.

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Ha ha I forgot the best part which is that it was a Sunday and our admins weren’t working. But yes this would be a good strategy

Have you considered the possibility that the senior associate is trying to make the other person quit? I can barely imagine how angry I'd be if someone called me on vacation to ask me to circulate a dial-in.

Agree with the other comment that things like that, you should just do the efficient thing without asking. For bigger picture stuff, consider whether there's a way to loop in a partner if you have a good relationship with them and they're sufficiently involved. I've found that effective in subtly pushing back on seniors giving dumb instructions.

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Frankly, this person makes me want to quit on a regular basis, but I don’t think it’s intentional. The worst part about it is that if they were actually an asshole in a way that was more standard (eg a screamer), it would be easier to complain about. Instead, they’re just incredibly bad at managing things leading to an enormous amount of wasted time and effort, and complaining about that in biglaw without coming across as lazy or not a team player is not something I really know how to do

This is an associate and you’re a fifth year? I’d tell this dude to pound sand. I stopped taking shit from more senior associates who were out of line since I was a 4th year. And then 5th/6th year I didn’t take shit from counsel either. Now that I’m a 7th year I’ve also pushed back on junior partners from other groups giving me shit. You have to be careful though.

1.) Always be respectful, and 2.) If you’re actually going to (in a respectful way) tell someone more senior to you to F off, then you better be damn sure you’re right (or in the right, depending on what you’re pushing back on).

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Good luck!

This is over a calendar invite? That’s insane. Just send out the invite and say that you took care of it to ensure there was no delay. Let the super senior try to spin that to the partners as insubordination lol.

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I personally love it when associates engage in strategy discussion. Pushing back or testing decisions. I came up that way. Use your discretion, you are experienced enough to know when pushing back is useful or futile. Your situation does sound a bit absurd, though.

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