Female here and I hate to say it! But whenever I’m pull to a new project I secretly hope I don’t get a female lead. 😞 I had some interesting experiences with women leads, which it does not apply to all women!, but I feel a bit hesitant and I feel is ptsd lol how can I overcome this mentality?! I’m pro women and equally etc etc but I often rather deal with a dude lead Bc we women are so hard on each other. Smh 🤦🏽‍♀️

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You’re not alone, f here too. I’ve been on many many teams, and the only 2 nightmare teams I’ve been on were nightmares because of a female M/SM. I’m pro woman, but not pro-bi****.

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Male here, I’ve had two female PjMs in the last year. One was terrible and blamed me for a mistake she made in assigning hours and cost me billable time. The other is very chill, helpful, knowledgeable etc. I’m a black male and race can sometimes play a factor in not trying to seem off task or unserious in front of others when you’re black and in positions of leadership. I’m leading a team now and I try to keep things light but males are given more grace in these scenarios than females.

I'm a dude and I hope the opposite. The women leads I've had have been nearly universally spectacular; the male leads are about 50/50. The worst leads I've had were all men.

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Found this so relatable! I have a female lead at the moment in a new company and she is a breath of fresh air. She’s supportive, inspiring and really backs her team. But I had a female lead in my previous role who was absolutely horrendous and I think I have also got a little PTSD from my experience of being managed by her. She was so insecure that she made life hell on the regular and was a micro manager. She was promoted far too soon and her team suffered because of it.

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There are bad leads of all genders. Because there tend to be fewer of them (women) in our industry it’s easy to generalize and associate that with being a woman. I’ve had both great and bad female leads. Gender doesn’t make someone a better or worst lead; it depends on their skill, personality and understanding of how psychology works when it comes to motivating people. I’ve met power hungry sociopaths but their gender didn’t make them that way

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Completely agree M2, has nothing to do with Gender.

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From personal experience , F vs F tends to become a bit cutthroat and they tend to put each other down while in M vs M , tend to get along better and are a bit more relaxed

Take the above with a pinch of salt as it’s very circumstantial dependant. Maybe you also need to work on your communication skills instead of blaming your co worker (there are always 2 sides to a story and mostly both people are at a fault)

IMO, worked with both F and M colleagues/work leads and both have different styles

M more laid back while F more controlling but will help you get to the answer and be genuinely supportive while M tend to be a bit more cold.

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Best Leaders I’ve ever worked for: women
Worst leaders I’ve ever worked for: women

I have worked for very very few “mediocre” women, while most of the men I have worked for were mediocre/medium. I have a theory that at least in the past the women who got ahead were either ruthless and terrible, or true rockstars creating the dynamic I have frequently observed of them being the best and worst, while tons of medium men are all around me all the time.

As a woman, I try to empathize with the struggle and trauma of the horrible women while moving away from them which in consulting was not that hard. In consulting, you should be able to align yourself with the leaders that you work the best with. So I would just focus on that rather than something like gender of the project lead lol…

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Consultant 1 best manager I’ve worked with was a woman. Was genuinely curious about me as a person and gave me scope of the entire company so I could appreciate my individual role. Very open and didn’t seem to hide information for the sake of “protecting me from information overload”. Very direct, she was from Jersey. We even took a trip to a different office (from Connecticut to Pittsburg) so I was included in the conversation about a SharePoint rollout there. Really got the feeling she took my career progression seriously and it shows. Man I miss her 😭

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Gen Z is going to come for your throat. Probably something about toxic femininity or internalized XYZ.

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She’ll be fine. She said the magic words “female here…”

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Gotta become the lead, boss.

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I’m M; without question, the worst boss I’ve ever had by a mile was female, but the best boss I’ve had is also female. The guys have usually fallen in the middle. With everything, i think it’s hard to generalize purely on gender.

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Go read "That's What She Said"

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No by Michael G Scott

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This has to be the older ladies who were competing to be "the woman" in leadership or the office or whatever. Tokenism and discrimination created the problem. My female bosses under 45 have been universally great.

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Also cultural differences. I work with a lot of non-US females that have yet to be accustomed to US working culture

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Last time I made a similar confession as I male, it got reported 🤨

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Ouch 😓

Respectfully 😑
Most of “worst” career experiences were women leaders.

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No advice for you but just know that you aren't alone. My wife feels the same way. She has had women managers who were constantly trying to prove themselves to their leaders and pressurized their teams a lot. I, on the other hand, have had women managers for half my career and I would go back and work for them any day. They were true role models who helped shape my career. Don't let some bad experiences shape you.

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I’ve definitely felt that before. I’ve been fortunate to have a very small handful of wonderful women mentors in my life, but for the most part I find other women A LOT more difficult to work for then men. I’m trying to break that cycle and try to be a good mentor / senior associate to women junior to me because I know how hard it is to find that.

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Female with 20+ years experience in professional services here.....I would rather work with men ANY DAY instead other women.

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Depends on the person, I guess?
Two of my most recent male managers were one of the most infuriating and toxic individuals I have ever known.
One Manager literally used our 1:1s to talk about how much he hates his wife, how his life is going down the drain, and ALL of his issues. (That was one of the Big 4 organizations, and last I heard- he got a promotion). The other guy had an issue with the fact that I had exhausted half of my leaves by July (Duh?), and expected his team to work during their vacation.
One of my my other male leads continuously flirted with a female friend of mine, and told her that if she was 10 years younger, he would have dated her. When the management found out he was sexually harassing other women as well, he got a minor slap on the wrist.

On the flip side- two of the last female managers I have worked with have been stellar leaders- empathetic, nurturing, competent, rational.

Let’s not make it a gender-specific trend.
Some people are D-Bags, and it’s not specific to a gender.

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I’ve never had a female lead but as woman myself, I try to make sure I don’t perpetuate any of these negative stereotypes. Pretty disheartening to hear the perception continue to be that women managers are micromanagers or controlling. May be true in individual cases for sure, just like for men. Could it be that because there are just fewer women leaders, the bad ones stick out more?

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I feel the same especially working with elder woman. They’re more judgmental and picky (I’m a woman myself)

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Well typically as a man I have no problem working with either gender.

Is there something about the style of a female lead that makes it a challenge?

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No causal relationship, just anecdotal correlates for some and not others.

More men in leadership (and less concern about firing them from said leadership) is likely skewing things.

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I just came to a firm with primarily female leadership, and I regret it. (I was initially excited for this though as a F myself). As antifeminist as this may be, I find my female superiors nitpicky, controlling, untrustworthy, snarky, and when they’re stressed, they dump it onto me. Not saying males cannot be this way but I find this more prevalent with the female leaders I work for. I do find them very detail oriented, responsive, and more organized as compared to male bosses I have had, but even with this, it has not created a better or more effective work environment.

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