Tips on how to deal with stuck up first years with a “power hungry” mindset? My group culture is very cordial and kind but these guys seem to think they run sh*t, especially in interactions with staff or other juniors. HLS lax-bro vibe, for context. I assume best to just ignore and not engage with it, but open to any suggestions.

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If someone wants to be a gunner on a deal then I let them. Less work for me to do and fewer late nights. I just nod and say "Sounds good. Good to get on that" and then log off and go to bed at 10.

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I’m an HLS junior and know others in the same boat and we are not like this at all. Unfortunate representation of the school right there.

Let your work speak for itself and ignore their posturing. If it starts to directly impact you (e.g., they try to pass work into you), remind them that they aren’t your superiors.

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Lol let them think they are hot shit for running redlines all day 😂

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When I was a first year, another first year started delegating to me and taking responsibility for my work product to the mid levels. Like only three weeks into the job lol. He’s gone now and no one liked him

If the group is truly cordial, partners and seniors will realize these people suck and won’t want to work with them. I’ve definitely seen it happen. It might take them awhile to realize though.

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I didn’t know HLS attracts a lax-bro vibe. Idk why that stereotype still exists though. I find lax players are typically pretty nice (myself included.. I did suck though)

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I find HLS is second only to GLC in attracting that demographic, but both are also just large schools. As for (former) lax players generally, it only takes a few bad apples to ruin people’s impression of the group.

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Yeesh. No advice to give but sorry that's happening. I've never met first years like that.

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Ignore it. Either they’ll leave within a few years or it’ll turn out that’s just the way the firm is and you’ll leave.

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Ignore but don’t let them boss you around. You’re peers.

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What year are you?

First

HLS?

Harvard Law School

What’s a lax-bro? Am I already getting old?

Exactly, ahahahah! It’s clear now that I didn’t go to HLS… and arguably I didn’t deserve to graduate from any school 😂

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