I’m only a few weeks into the in-house world and I have to say that it kicks ass. I get to spend real time learning about how our business works without worrying about billable hours. I’m sure I’ll become more jaded as I go on (as lawyers do) but I want to take a moment to appreciate it.

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I love that. I am so efficient and I like to get things done and enjoy my free time. In a law firm setting, efficiency is not valued

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It’s pretty great, isn’t it?

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That’s wonderful to hear! I’m currently trying to get into an in-house role for this reason. The billables at my firm are killing me and I miss being able to just focus on the work itself.

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There will be things that probably frustrate you after the honeymoon. However, if you have already done BL or something similar, you will easily recognize that’s it is nothing like your old life and still so much better.

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I thought my job was secure when this WFH started. I’m getting more apprehensive each day. Many people were forced to take PTO (not me for the time being) and billable work is dwindling by the minute

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Associates in NYC, what are your billable requirements like? Do you have any sort of work/life balance or are you pulling 14 hour days every day?

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Can anyone who works close to billing speak to the rationale behind why vacation days aren’t billed 8.0 per day, and why they don’t count toward an associate’s billable hours?

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To the post below- it is quiet, so I’ll bite!
Does anyone know about associate compensation at the regional Atlantic Canada firms? The the big ones have all been posting job ads for associates in the 3-5 year range. Any insight on salary and billable targets?

What are firm’s known billable requirements? Is there a ramp up period?

Fun fact that consultants will appreciate: The weight of the Liberty Bell equals the number of billable hours in the year. 2,080 lbs.

Can anyone else “wow” us with a fun fact?

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I am a 10 yr lawyer. 7 yrs in my practice area. Little over a year at current firm. Still an associate. Im at large plaintiff firm w/ billable requirements. I do mass/class cases and hold a couple leadership positions (these were competitive to get). What should salary be and when should I make partner. I’ll add I work remote and pretty autonomously. Little contact with partners or anyone at my firm.

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What's up everyone? I saw a salary survey posted earlier. What do y'all think I should make at a litigation boutique that handles primarily business litigation on a contingency fee? No billable hours.

Does anyone have experience working for a ALSP? How does compensation work (pay and benefits)? Are you an employee or technically an IC? Do you have billable requirements like at a firm? How do you think it prepared you to potentially move in house? I'm currently at a firm but thinking of taking a position with an ALSP but my goal is to go in house.

What are your current billable hours and salary? Is anyone actually on a good ratio with this - would love to hear

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Mental health is busy, looking for tips to help manage tasks, currently I supervise 12 therapists in 3 different departments that are all different with unique dynamics in each dept. I still carry a small caseload on top of this. I'm struggling with my patients and worry I am not giving them my best, I wax and wane between focusing on patients and therapists. Looking for advice navigating this type od conversation with my leadership, we have all been asked to work on increase billable time...

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I love my firm, but just got an offer to move firms for a bigger chunk of change and lower billable hours requirement. Logically, it makes sense to move, but I’m hesitant. Both firms seem great culture-wise. I am young and succeeding at my current firm. Any thoughts?

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I have a question about mid-size Philadelphia law firms. Does anyone have any insight about what life is like (culture, pay, billable hours, cases, WFH, perks, etc.) as a junior partner/senior associate/of counsel in the litigation department at the following firms: Montgomery McCracken, Schnader Harrison, Stradley Ronon, Dilworth Paxson, Klehr Harrison?

Anyone have any tips about Ward & Smith, specifically their Corporate M&A group? Billable hours, general culture, etc. Anything appreciated!

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Looking to leave a govt job for a junior attorney role in a small workers comp defense firm. I have no experience in workers comp. How easy is it to learn the work and make 1850 billable hours? What future opportunities does this experience give?

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I just spoke with a software architect that went back to school to learn software engineering after law school because it was more lucrative and had less hours. He’s worked his way up and has the skills and authority to work 6:30am-10am and gets to work remotely. We discussed that results/outputs is better than billable time like in law and public accounting. Yet, his parents and others would view him as “lazy” but he does his job and makes a fantastic living. Time>Money and Results>Hours

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Obligatory financial info post. 1) size of firm, 2) billable requirements, 3) salary, 4) bonus, 5) quality of life, 6) debt, and and 7) family/married/single. Go!

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How do most people’s firms calculate billable hours for associates? In other words, what hours are counted towards your target? Do you get credit for things like CLE’s, mandatory trainings, etc.? What about pro bono work (assigned by the firm) or writing for firm publications? Or time that a billing partner writes off on paid matters? What about sick or other leave credits? Is it pretty much everyone’s experience that it’s just straight billable hours on paying clients?

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Thought experiment for you, fishies.

We all love to hate on billable hours. What’s a real, feasible alternative???

Small agency owner 🙋🏻‍♂️ I’ve wracked my brain and have 3 biz model options, none great:

Billable hrs: Generally accepted. We all know the downsides.

Pay4performance: Big upside potential, tons of risks.

Project pricing: Cloak for billable hours. You have to estimate project cost with something.

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How is work life balance in Mindtree now.
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A new athleisure brand has responded positively to my proposal and day rate.
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The ones that left to a startup - not unicorn how did you go about finding the job, networking? Wanting to leave after hitting C - when should I start networking and how ? Super interested in life science/health tech/digital health related startups

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Hello fishes,

Searching for a better opportunity.

Linux systems engineer - 2 year experience

Please refer me if you have any suitable opportunities.

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what questions do you ask when first meeting the executor of an estate?

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Why does drafting one little email relaying info to opposing counsel cause so much stress?!?

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Right now, I do criminal and domestic law. I'm seriously burned out. I'm looking at corporate and other litigation positions. A lot of them are related to contract work (as in reviewing, preparing, etc.). For anyone that has switched from criminal/domestic litigation to other litigation or corporate positions, how much of your previous knowledge and skill set transferred over? I'm a fast learner and want to show I'm more than an entry-level hire.

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One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important.

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