Most of the successful people I've seen in my office are single or have no children. It seems like there is a correlation between having kids and not being a high performer. I don't think it's on

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Almost every partner I have worked with in 8 years had kids later in life AND has a stay at home spouse. There’s merit to what OP is getting at - it’s very hard to make it through your senior / early manager years with kids and a working spouse.

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SM here and agree strongly with this comment and OP. Partners in my office have kids, but let's not forget how the requirements change decade over decade. When some of their kids were born the audit (I am in RA) could be completed in a week. Today's seniors are my heros with the amount of stuff they are required to do and know. On top of it, most of female partners with kids have stay at home husbands, one has significant help (her mother). To the OP - don't give up your career dreams. Maybe yes take a slower path for times. The latest you can't be admitted to partnership is 50, and you need to work as a partner for 10 years to be fully vested, and mandatory retirement is at 60. You may still have plenty of time to have kids, slow down and then pick up the pace again.

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I’m sure it’s easier said than done if you are a man vs woman. Most of caregiving responsibilities fall on women. We both work full time, but I’m expected to make breakfast, feed the kids, dress the kids, get their backpacks ready and drop them off to school/daycare in addition to getting ready and feeding myself. My husband starts work at 8am. I come to office at 9am, after I do all above mentioned for 3 young kids. I’m already exhausted by the time I get to the office! Lol
Same goes for dinners most weeks (hubby will cook on weekend and 1 weeknight, but the rest of the weeknight dinners and all lunches for kids are on me). Who makes (and attends) all doctor appointments, dental check ups, school meetings? Who checks in on (both sets of ) elderly grandparents and helps them with grocery shopping, doctor appointments, etc? Yep, me. We also have a child with special needs so add arranging therapies, following up in progress, doing exercises at home, etc. My husband is a great guy and works a lot to provide for our family, and we have some help (weekly cleaner, sitter, etc) but I still feel that my head is barely above the water.
I realize that this is just my situation and not everyone can relate (and we are very fortunate to be able to afford some of the help) but I can totally see where OP is coming from.

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It’s the culture, and I do feel it’s slowly changing but people who have kids either have a stay at home spouse or had them later when they could afford nannies etc.

I know people who are single moms etc and they do well too but it’s infinitely harder for them, especially below manager level.

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I’m a mother of 5. 15 years in PA. My husband is a controller. We didn’t have a nanny/au pair for the first 3 years of kids. When you have kids, you don’t have an option of throwing hands in the air and saying ‘I can’t do it’. You just figure it out. We got surprised with triplets when we tried for #3. I’m constantly told ‘I don’t know how you do it’. The answer is, you figure it out. Find something that works.
Also, I find PA to have far more flexibility than my husband’s corporate job. I have switched roles, switched locations/countries, etc very smoothly throughout my career. I’ve worked remotely, telecommuted, worked odd hours, etc to manage our chaos at home. He doesn’t have that kind of ability beyond a day here and there. The grass isn’t always greener ...

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The problem is that consulting is like two jobs. Job 1 is serving the client and job 2 is sales and practice development.
This is a lot, so people who don’t have kids probably do better, they can put 40 hours more to the regular 65 hours expected by the firm

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Office politics play a much larger role in who makes partner than relationship/family status.

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I don’t think that’s the point CohnReznik....

The big 4 consulting structure works against immigrant women who come to the states to go to business school.
If they go to business school at 29-30, they graduate at 31-32.
Two years as senior - 34
Three years as manager - 37
Two-three years for family - 39-40
Now starts the mad rush to become a partner by 44
And then there is limited growth possible because the men who did not take time off for family have gone far ahead and she’ll not rise to the leadership because men are already ahead in the game.

I don’t see many women with kids/family in leadership at any of the consulting firms with his structure.

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The ones that have kids usually have a stay at home partner.

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I have two kids and I am a director/senior manager and I’ve had an amazing career. You have to yourself with people who believe in you and can help you get there. You can do it!

All the partners (male) in my practice have kids but spouse is a stay home parents. The one female director we have has no kids and is divorced.

Many, if not most, of the managers/senior managers/partners in my office have spouse, kids or both. And they generally work as hard as the single and childless. It sometimes looks different. Instead of 8 or 10 or 12 hours in a row, there are breaks. Dinners, kids’ events, etc.

To make things worse, this is like doing two jobs - serving clients and business development/practice development

I didn’t purposefully wait to have kids but it didn’t happen until right before I became a manager. I’ve been a high performer my whole career and it’s hard af when you introduce family needs, but we make it work. I’ve been fortunate to have a mentor and CA that support “worklife balance” but who also know me well enough to remind me to slow down sometimes. Find your people, your internal network, and hitch your wagon to their train. You got this!!

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