I have limited problems limiting carbs. That said, it seems my protein is always inline with fats. The two
Usually are similar as I’ll eat steak, and cheese. Has anyone else has this problem?

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Should I be eating less protein and up the oil and butter in take?

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You need to add fat. Too much protein =gluconeogenesis which equates to sugar production

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DSC - actually not false. Your fats do not have to be that high to be successful, and if you are looking to build muscle, like I am, the ketogains macros are good for it. Once you become fat adapted, you need less of it as your body is burning your own fat stores. Dietary fat is about keeping you full. Doesn't mean that you need to eat 100+ grams per day. I have been in ketosis since a few days after I started, and even with a couple slip ups, still stayed in ketosis (and yes, I am testing with a blood monitor). Your macros can vary from the ones you stated and you can still be in ketosis. Everyone's body reacts differently, and the key is finding the balance of macros that works best for you. Mine lean towards 65% fat, 30% protein and 5% carbs, which is working great for me.

On the gluconeogenesis, you would have to eat way over your protein macros for it to be a problem. Many of the articles I have read said you would have to eat around 200g of protein per day to even approach this being an issue.

I am, by no means, an expert on this stuff, and am still learning, but before you start calling people out for spreading false info, you should probably get your facts straight.

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Add some avocado to get some healthy fat, and go for healthier proteins, like grilled chicken and fish

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I started a couple months ago, so trying to share what has worked for me! Avocado is a huge source of fat for me, and I add olive oil and sometimes butter when I cook veggies. Salad dressing (oil &a vinegar) on salads is also good. I follow ketogains, which allows a little lower fat, so I never really achieve the fat macro, and have been losing just fine (average about 2 lbs per week) and feeling good!

I have also hear people say that carbs macro is a limit, protein is a goal and fat is a lever, so for fat, you eat what you need to to stay full, but you don't have to meet the macro. In the beginning, it is good to try to meet it until you are fat adapted.
Another way to get more fat is to make fat bombs and store them for when you need extra fat, but not really feasible for travel.

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DSC - I'll just tell you to follow the same advice you are giving me here and leave it at that.

I wish I could say I was healthy before or didn't have weight problems, but the reality is that I have been overweight since I was a teen, hypothyroid and PCOS, along with intestinal disease, and a raging sugar addiction. Not to mention that I have had a couple kids and it gets even harder to lose weight after that. Losing weight has never been something that is easy for me and has been especially hard the last few years, where I have gotten to my heaviest weight ever. I did enter ketosis after a few days and have stayed in it because I work hard to do that, and have finally found a way of eating that my body responds to in a positive way. I have lost 18lbs in 9 weeks, which is better success than I have had since before having kids.
I hope you are having good results and everyone else gets there too!

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I must say IBM, you’re quite active in this bowl and I appreciate that! That said, I do eat poultry and fish, but find on those days, my fat intake is less. Suppose I’ll just have to eat more butter and oils those days.

Grams-wise fat and protein can be somewhat in line, depending on your body size and goals. 1g fat = 9 cals and 1g protein = 4 cals so eating the same number of grams, you’ll have consumed 2.25x more fat from a calorie perspective...

So for example, someone eating 1400 cals on a 70/25/5 breakdown would have, in grams, 108f/87.5p/17.5c

We could be more helpful if you had a breakdown by grams or carbs for us to look at

Start your day with bulletproof coffee!! Here's my macros from yesterday that kept me satiated all day!

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Probably a little light on my protein, but starting the day with fat will get your macros started right and hold you over to lunch, especially if you're mixing in IF.

I read something about how you also need to limit the protein so I’m glad you confirmed that@Huron.
Which app is that?

Fitbit app

Sorry IBM, but you’re kind of spreading false information.. fat is THE most important source of nutrition on a keto-diet, not just a “lever”

Your macros should be 70-75% fat / 20-25% protein / 5-10% carbs.

As Huron said, if this doesn’t happen, gluconeogenesis happens and you may as well not be doing the keto diet. Ketosis is the ultimate goal and if you’re not in a ketosis state you’re not doing anything.

OP - you NEED to be eating more oils (EVOO, avocado, coconut, and MCT). Also be careful with cheese because it can climb your carbs pretty quickly

Steak. Marbled and delicious. Mmmmm. Steak.

IBM - I’ve been in hardcore keto for months now, and like you, can cheat and remain in ketosis. I stand by the statement that you’re spreading false information ‘to a certain extent’.

What you’re misunderstanding here is that most people in this bowl do not completely understand keto, read it on some fad website and didn’t do the appropriate DD around it. They trust anons on a random app for invalidated information and typically don’t do further research. They assume that the carb number is flexible, they can cheat when they want, and trust urine strips to tell them if they’re in ketosis, not their GKI - the end all be all marker.

If you’ve been in ketosis since, “a few days after you started,” you must not be someone who has weight problems or health issues, and is probably relatively healthy as-is. Keep in mind most people asking here have body compositions different than you and that their macros are going to require different attention. 200g protein roughly is what a bodybuilder (average sized) should be intaking to build muscle quickly, and on a keto diet for an average sized human, glucoNG will hit way below that.

If people are just starting off on their keto journey it’s best to hit their macros as close as possible to get into a ketosis state ASAP, reducing flu symptoms and forcing their body to adapt. If they’re not getting enough fat, they can lower their carb intake even further than recommended and it will potentially adjust.

Not saying that you’re completely wrong here IBM, because you’re not. But you need to work on your language and framing. Keep doing what you’re doing, helping people on the way, just be conscious of the audience. Good luck with everything, you’re on the right track! 👍

Also would like to state that I switch between IBM and DSC on this forum and would go out on a limb here and say that half or more of the IBM responses are probably me.

Hey KPMG, Ill be honest Ive been doing keto for a while and since the beginning I haven’t been very strict about my protein to fats ratio but only strict about my carb intake. I probably have more proteins than fats and my body goes into ketosis and Ive lost a ton of weight doing that. I also do IF and that will help you get into and stay in ketosis as well.

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